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07 October, 2009

Interacting with Richard Dawkins - Part I

Solomon knew what he was talking about

Since essentially all "respectable" scientific theories about the ultimate fate of the universe are grim, with the cosmos either tearing apart, "crunching" in on itself or fizzling out trillions of years into the future, it is logical to conclude that life is utterly meaningless, pointless and hopeless. If we devote all of our energy, knowledge, technology and time for the further development, enlightenment and evolution of our species, we ultimately do so in vain. For even if our species were to reach an evolutionary and technological plane of the highest scientific proportions and possibilities it would still be faced with a future of unstoppable destruction. Why then do we even bother? If there is any "evolved" sense of mercy within us we should devote all of our efforts to bringing the entirety of the human race to a quick, swift and painless end so that we may spare our descendants the terror of that dreaded day. Evolution is a cruel master who does nothing but get our hopes up all the while leading us to ultimate and complete annihilation and rendering null and void the blood, sweat and tears of seemingly endless eons of time.

8 comments:

Horizon said...

Oh, don't be silly. We went from our first flight to landing on the moon in 65 years. You think in 30 trillion years we won't find a way to another universe? We've got plenty of time and loads of ingenuity. It's silly to say life is meaningless because we can't solve tomorrow's problems today.

Rachael said...

And which other universes might you suggest we go to? Have any been observed outside of the metaphysical musings of certain men?

Horizon said...

Observed? No, we don't even know how we would do that yet. But there are plenty of theories out there and we'll find out the truth sooner or later.

Even if there are no other universes, who's to say we'll never be able to fix what's wrong with this one? For that matter, we aren't even sure this one is broken.

We can't even imagine what life will be like on this planet a thousand years from now. You can't use the death of the universe as a valid scientific excuse for being glum today.

Lee Shelton IV said...

Given the naturalistic worldview, it is only logical to conclude that any other universe would eventually meet the same fate as this one. The point still stands.

Darrin said...

I think the cosmos "crunching in on itself" is the best possibility. Crunchy things are always fun.

Horizon said...

It's possible that other universes would meet a similar fate to ours, but what if they do so at different times? We could hide out in one universe while another collapses and reforms.

And how about time travel? If we can travel backwards through time, then we can reuse one universe as much as we like.

I don't know whether any of that would work, but I'm just one twentysomething guy throwing out ideas. My point is not that I can solve all of the future's problems, but that people in the future will probably be able to and that it's far too early to say that all is meaningless and that there is a hard cap on how long humanity can survive. You don't know what tomorrow's problems will be, much less how to solve them, and science won't stand behind you if you declare that defeat is inevitable and give up.

Lee Shelton IV said...

Horizon, everything you've suggested would only postpone the inevitable. The point is that those with a purely naturalistic worldview must, if they wish to be consistent, accept the fact that everything dies, even the universe, and that there is no incentive to better ourselves because there is nothing beyond the physical realm.

But even the most irrational atheists like Richard Dawkins don't think that way, suggesting that there IS something more to live for. While atheists won't admit it, they are in effect saying that a universe without God is pointless.

Jim Pemberton said...

Well, if the naturalistic belief is true, then we'll all be dead by then with no hope of resurrection anyway. That much would be inevitable.

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