tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post1361811469991251266..comments2023-10-08T17:10:23.473+03:00Comments on Tominthebox News Network - Religious Humor/Satire: Eastboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas "Fred is a Wimp"Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-53390039834073668082008-04-21T23:27:00.000+04:002008-04-21T23:27:00.000+04:00I just watched Star Wars, The Phantom Menace, last...I just watched Star Wars, The Phantom Menace, last night where Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan and Jar-Jar (they sound like intergalactic rednecks) go through the planet core where a big fish tries to eat them and another bigger fish comes up and eats that fish. My first thought on "Whelps" was Qui-Gon's comment, "There's always a bigger fish" (or in this case, "kook").Jim Pembertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01446388434272680014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-65304779204780029762008-04-20T10:53:00.000+04:002008-04-20T10:53:00.000+04:00Peter,To be fair, you did not use the phrase "Calv...Peter,<BR/><BR/>To be fair, you did not use the phrase "Calvinism" in your post. Can you deny though that there were intentional underlying implications? You specifically picked two well known pastors from the Reformed camp to make your point. Knowing your position, it's hard for me to believe that was unintentional.<BR/><BR/>-TomTeam Tominthebox News Networkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16874523643933164803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-64809642498385179652008-04-20T00:10:00.000+04:002008-04-20T00:10:00.000+04:00Can I make it clear that I made no mention of Calv...Can I make it clear that I made no mention of Calvinism in my comments. My point about "the identical message of Mark Driscoll and even John Piper" was purely that they too have preached the identical words "God hates you". The evidence is in the links I gave. It was others who took those words as referring to Calvinism. Well, if the cap fits ...<BR/><BR/>To be fair, Driscoll does suitably qualify his message (although Adrian Warnock didn't report the qualifications), and the Piper link is to a sermon from 1985 which, although currently on his website, may not fully reflect his current thinking. I realise of course that there are many ways in which Driscoll and Piper's teaching is very different from Phelps' and Whelps'. But my question about the difference was intended to make people think, and seems to have been successful in that.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-3775691835920056212008-04-19T00:06:00.000+04:002008-04-19T00:06:00.000+04:00Jerry,Realize, there is no argument for your Armin...Jerry,<BR/><BR/>Realize, there is no argument for your Arminian position that you can state that I haven't heard or answered before. As usual, you're attacking a straw man with all of your "if...then" logic, as if God telling us to do something isn't a good enough reason to do it.<BR/><BR/>Unless you or someone else has come up with an "Electometer" so that people can wave it over someone and determine whether or not they're elect, then we preach to all men without exception. WE DON'T KNOW WHO THE ELECT ARE! That's one of the major problems with Phelps, he thinks he does.<BR/><BR/>We preach because God commands it. We call men to repent because it is through those means God has chosen to bring about the supernatural work of salvation. That's how he works. So there's the answer to your question.<BR/><BR/>Now, the next person who drags a blasted Calvinism debate into a post that is not talking about Calvinism will be banned from commenting for two weeks. <BR/><BR/>-TomTeam Tominthebox News Networkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16874523643933164803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-27309704388395341312008-04-18T23:49:00.000+04:002008-04-18T23:49:00.000+04:00haha! looks like someone else has stolen the name ...haha! looks like <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJrCz62cyA" REL="nofollow">someone else has stolen the name of eastboro baptist church.</A> lol!<BR/><BR/>Great post as always!Andrew McNeillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08382737472749155149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-37567778880495554422008-04-18T23:37:00.000+04:002008-04-18T23:37:00.000+04:00I knew there was a reason I wear slip on shoes.Why...I knew there was a reason I wear slip on shoes.<BR/><BR/>Why preach repentance? The elect have no choice, and the non-elect cannot.<BR/><BR/>As for hope- the non-elect have none.<BR/><BR/>Why preach grace? The elect will have it forced on them ( yeah yeah I know I worded it wrong, sue me) and the non-elect have none. <BR/><BR/>Don't try to pin this one on me, buddy. I spoke of the verse Richard brought up. I did not bring up the verse, which just so happens to be a proof text Calvinists cling too, not people like me.Jerry Boycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274205714483943938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-66661908545437990132008-04-18T23:30:00.000+04:002008-04-18T23:30:00.000+04:00Very amusingVery amusingD Herrodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16003033369060935324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-53525822159884164672008-04-18T23:24:00.000+04:002008-04-18T23:24:00.000+04:00Richard,No, it wasn't directed at you at all. It ...Richard,<BR/><BR/>No, it wasn't directed at you at all. It began with Peter and Jerry. For crying out loud, if someone cannot see the difference between the Calvinism of Piper and Driscoll and the wacked-out lunacy of Phelps then I question his overall ability to tie his own shoes straight. <BR/><BR/>Here's Phelp's problem. There's no Jesus in his "gospel," there's no hope, no call for repentance, no grace etc, and therefore there's no gospel. Piper and Driscoll preach Christ. Enough said.<BR/><BR/>-TomTeam Tominthebox News Networkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16874523643933164803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-12839102040930944912008-04-18T20:55:00.000+04:002008-04-18T20:55:00.000+04:00Hi Tom. I apologize if I'm one to whom your commen...Hi Tom. I apologize if I'm one to whom your comment was directed. I wasn't intending to broach the topic of soteriology. I merely wanted to point out how Psalm 5:5 teaches that God hates certain people.Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12131408704271847433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-84921803813472663842008-04-18T19:31:00.000+04:002008-04-18T19:31:00.000+04:00I agree that anyone who preaches that God hates yo...I agree that anyone who preaches that God hates you, at least without proper qualification, is a nutcase, and a blasphemous one.Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-55314033665640875122008-04-18T17:54:00.000+04:002008-04-18T17:54:00.000+04:00People, people, people, people, people...Sigh...Pl...People, people, people, people, people...<BR/><BR/>Sigh...<BR/><BR/>Please get off the Calvinist/Arminian horse for one day. This post is primarily about a modern-day nut-case. We should all be able to agree on that!<BR/><BR/>-TomTeam Tominthebox News Networkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16874523643933164803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-78495237134461530312008-04-18T17:12:00.000+04:002008-04-18T17:12:00.000+04:00I knew this would be a good one when there were 5 ...I knew this would be a good one when there were 5 comments at 8:30 this morning. Poor new guy received 1 comment after 3 days. Sorry Bill.<BR/><BR/>Must God wait until we are saints before He loves us? Anyone? Have we not been workers of iniquity prior to salvation? Did God hate us before salvation? <BR/><BR/>Richard- Robert may object to your use of a OT passage as a proof text.Jerry Boycehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16274205714483943938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-55701565557705308172008-04-18T16:25:00.000+04:002008-04-18T16:25:00.000+04:00Hi Peter. Perhaps they were preaching from Psalm 5...Hi Peter. Perhaps they were preaching from Psalm 5:5?<BR/><BR/>"The boastful shall not stand in Your sight; You hate all workers of iniquity."Richardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12131408704271847433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-61775254415814737472008-04-18T15:59:00.000+04:002008-04-18T15:59:00.000+04:00Peter I think you are trying to hijack the blog. ...Peter I think you are trying to hijack the blog. Keep up your criticism of the historic Reformed position of God's anger against sinners at your blog. By the way, the difference between "Whelps"/Phelps and Piper/Driscoll is Piper/Driscoll believe God overcame the scandal of pardoning guilty sinners through the cross of Christ--it is a huge difference. I will not even bring up what I think of the famous "God hates the sin but loves the sinner" quote because we will never get this thread back again.<BR/><BR/>This was a funny post but sad at the same time because many in the world when they hear "Christian fundamentalist" think Fred Phelps.Brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07361606927575625214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-61046722032863746042008-04-18T14:01:00.000+04:002008-04-18T14:01:00.000+04:00This is probably one of my favourite posts. :-DWhe...This is probably one of my favourite posts. :-D<BR/><BR/><I>Whelps believes that the only hope for people like Phelps and others is to realize that there is no hope and try to obey God as best they can.</I><BR/><BR/>Beautifully expressing the main fault of hyper-Calvinism...in the stated attempt to avoid legalism, they fall right into it again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-29309766600628818642008-04-18T14:00:00.000+04:002008-04-18T14:00:00.000+04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-88027082135973561.post-2746616847533118172008-04-18T13:42:00.000+04:002008-04-18T13:42:00.000+04:00Very funny! But how does their preaching "God hate...Very funny! But how does their preaching "God hates you!" differ from the identical message of <A HREF="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=323" REL="nofollow">Mark Driscoll</A> and even <A HREF="http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=460" REL="nofollow">John Piper</A>?Peter Kirkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13395635409427347613noreply@blogger.com